Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – Politics is practiced by and among men. It is what we use to perfect the human condition. It is the tool that we believe, here in the 21st century, that we have at our disposal that can correct all the bad programming that God put into us. We can fix all of that bad programming. We can get all the things aligned that ought to be aligned if we just practice prudent politics. Check out today’s audio and transcript for the rest…
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Mike: Dale is in South Carolina next on The Mike Church Show as we plumb to the bottom, as we plumb the depths of the Twitter world and who it is that’s tweeting what and screwing it up in the process. Yes, Dale, how are you?
Caller Dale: Hey, Mike, how’s it going? Good morning to you.
Mike: Back at ya.
Caller Dale: I listened to what you were saying. I saw the tweet yesterday. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. I recall him being on stage and the quote “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” I believe it was a foreign policy question he answered that with. Then the scripture he used yesterday, “Live by the sword and die by the sword.” I think we all, not just Ron Paul, need to be careful when we quote scripture that we don’t quote it out of context. Chris Kyle, I think that was his name, the Navy SEAL who was murdered, any killing he did was under the premise that it was done while he was in the military serving as a military member. He wasn’t murdering anyone. There’s a difference between killing and murdering. We need to remember that Romans 13 teaches us that the government is a minister of God and has a right to have a military. I like Ron Paul and, like I said, I voted for him in the primary. I think as a whole, we need to be careful that we don’t misrepresent what scripture means.
Mike: Well, we don’t use scripture very often. It seems to me that when it is used, it is probably used out of context to promote some political agenda. It’s very seldom used to influence someone’s daily life or something someone is actually doing that doesn’t have anything to do with politics or government. Here in 2013, I believe we do not have the mental capacity, most of us do not, nor do we have the desire, to separate our politics from anything else. It’s almost as though everything either is politics, or something about politics and government, or it’s not about politics and government but it ought to be. We’re quite full of ourselves, in other words.
Politics is practiced by and among men. It is what we use to perfect the human condition. It is the tool that we believe, here in the 21st century, that we have at our disposal that can correct all the bad programming that God put into us. We can fix all of that bad programming. We can get all the things aligned that ought to be aligned if we just practice prudent politics. I don’t think people are taking scripture out of context because there are so few people that read it and would know the context of it anyway. I think it’s that scripture is only convenient — and perhaps in this instance it was convenient for Ron — when you’re trying to promote some political agenda. If that’s what he was trying to do, I don’t know. As I said, I wasn’t there. I didn’t help him compose it. Nobody called me for advice. It’s hard to get context on 140 characters. As a matter of fact, it’s impossible to get context. You don’t get tone of voice. You don’t get any of the humanity that would go along with any of these things. It’s difficult.
Caller Dale: I agree with you. You’re absolutely right. We don’t know what he was thinking when he wrote it. I was just trying to make a point that as a whole, we need to generally be careful with how we quote scripture. The argument could be made that Christ certainly did not live by the sword but did die by the sword.
Mike: Kind of.
Caller Dale: Certainly he was scourged. The Roman government executed him at the Jews’ behest. I get your sarcasm, or what I hope is sarcasm. Politics cannot fix us. The one thing that can fix us is the one thing we don’t want to read and don’t want to comprehend. There are parts of the Bible that are difficult. I’ve often heard it said that it’s written on a third grade level, but that’s a pretty smart third grader in some of that scripture.
Mike: [laughing] Indeed it is. If you want context for any of this stuff, my suggestion is to find a cable or satellite television near you and turn on MSNBC on any given day. This is a great research project for you people. If you can actually make it through an entire hour without throwing something at the television or reaching for the mute button, congratulations to you. You have more tolerance than I. Yesterday, while I was waiting to get my stress test in the cardiologist office lobby — this is kind of scary actually. Why are you guys playing MSNBC? Couldn’t you have something that is totally non-confrontational on? Isn’t there a Lifetime movie we could be watching in the lobby that’s all placid and peaceful? I watched about 40 minutes or so of MSNBC yesterday. I have to tell you, it’s sickening. By the time I got in there, I couldn’t wait to run because I wanted to punch somebody. Crank that treadmill up and let me get on it because I need to get some energy out.
They had this woman on who was from NARAL, National Abortion Rights Action League. She was implying that anyone that does not believe that Citizen A, that’s you, Dale, should be taxed so that some of the tax extricated from Citizen A should then be transferred to a central location and a portion of that tax should then be divided, and a part of the proceeds should then go to either finance or subsidize either the birth control pills, the condoms, the spermicide, and if that fails the termination of the life, the abortion procedure, that if you don’t think that, you’re trying to steal women’s reproductive rights away. No, nothing of the sort. Even though some of us in our society would, all Dale is saying, and all Mike is saying on Dale’s behalf, is that Dale should not be conscripted in the endeavor regardless of his religious affiliation. If you think that denying someone access to government largesse is denying them the actual right, then we’ve already crossed the Rubicon. There’s no going back. If the right is contingent upon people being conscripted to pay for it, then is it really a right or is it a form of indentured or involuntary servitude?
Caller Dale: I agree with you. You’re absolutely right. It’s funny you bring up servitude. I was having a conversation with my son; he’s 13. I said, “Look, slavery is not an evil word” — we were in Bible study actually — “however, the context in how you use the word slavery can make it evil. We’re all slaves to something. Some of us are slaves to birth control. Some of us are slaves to the government. Some of us are slaves to the car we drive. We should all be slaves to Christ.” I don’t mean to continue to be biblical with you, it’s just how I’m wired in a lot of ways. We need to lose the mentality that the word itself is a negative word. It’s the action of what you’re enslaved to that can be negative. If you’re a slave to the government, you’re in a world of hurt. If you’re a slave to the almighty birth control pill, then I would suggest you’re a slave to a far greater evil than any of us are ever going to want to face after this life is over with.
Mike: I think most of it has to do with perceptions and what is acceptable today. Dale, thank you very much for the call. Apparently it is acceptable — you can only use scripture from the Bible if you are using it in a preapproved manner. If you try and apply it to something that may make a host on Fox News, MSNBC, CBS, or ABC angry, then that’s not the intent of the good book. We know that wouldn’t be the intent of the author of the word. They would never have wanted their work used for such a nakedly, politically ambitious thing, and therefore you just shouldn’t say it. I think they would probably be just as happy saying you should not quote the book ever. As a matter of fact, it ought to be growing a lot of dust on the jacket, and it should be face up. That way we know no one has opened the darn thing. Now that is a state of bliss if you’re of certain political affiliations.
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