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Mandeville, LA - Exclusive Video and Audio - On today's Founder's TV we've got a special interview with Kevin Gutzman whose book, "James Madison and the Making of America" comes out today in paperback. In this clip, listen as Kevin describes the plot for Northern Secession by Timothy Pickering and others, which you can learn more about and listen to in What Lincoln Killed. One of the main reasons that people like Pickering (and other Northerners) wanted the North to secede was because the South was in complete control of the Federal Government up until about 1860... just imagine how American History would have turned out if the North would have been successful in seceding! Be sure and sign up for a Founders Pass here to enjoy the entire show!