Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – As some suggest that Senator Ted Cruz of Texas might be a frontrunner or one of the leaders to campaign in 2016 for the Republican nomination for the presidency, there is the issue, especially for all you birthers out there, there is the issue of his eligibility.  Is he a natural-born citizen?  Check out today’s transcript for the rest…

 

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Mike:  As some suggest that Senator Ted Cruz of Texas might be a frontrunner or one of the leaders to campaign in 2016 for the Republican nomination for the presidency, there is the issue, especially for all you birthers out there, there is the issue of his eligibility.  Is he a natural-born citizen?  I told you last week that I thought he was because he owed allegiance to the United States, even though he was born in Canada.  It would depend on how his mother signed the birth certificate.  I’m very surprised to learn and eager to report to you that I asked this question of my friend and yours, Professor Dr. Kevin Gutzman.  I specifically asked for the definition of natural-born citizen back in 1788 when the Constitution was ratified.  It was James Madison’s explanation that natural-born meant you were a citizen at the time of the Declaration of Independence was adequate.  Professor Gutzman told me no, that’s not adequate.

Where the explanation is comes from a book written by the Monsieur de Vattel.  The book is called A Commentary and Inquiry on the Laws of Nations.  In Chapter 19 of the book, Book I, you will find “Of Our Native Country” and several things that relate to it.  The reason I’m bringing this up, number one, is because Cruz is in the news and he is going to all the places that GOP candidates go to.  He may be thinking he’s going to throw his hat in the ring.  Number two, many of you have asked me to define or form an opinion on whether or not Senator Cruz -- and also there would be another question for Senator Rubio -- whether or not they’re eligible.  According to Vattel, Cruz is not eligible.  Since I don’t know the status of Rubio’s parents, my understanding is that Rubio’s parents were not citizens, and they certainly weren’t natural-born citizens at the time of his birth, and therefore he is also not eligible.

The reason this is important is because if you were a member of that august group of men that we call the founding fathers and you read the law, which is how they said you became a lawyer, if you were reading law, you probably read Vattel.  As a matter of fact, you probably had a copy of Vattel.  The book was written in either Latin or French.  It was translated into English.  I think Madison’s copy was in French.  You probably had a copy of this book.  Whatever Vattel’s understanding of the law was would have been one of the sources you would have gone to to develop your own opinion on the law and what you thought it should be here.  That’s why this is important.  We know that Jefferson owned a copy.  We know that Hamilton and Madison and Randolph had copies of Vattel’s book.  It was widely relied on and quoted.  Here’s how Vattel defined natural-born citizen.  “Citizens and Natives” is subsection 212....

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