Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “What you’re saying in your admission of homosexuality is that you are defined, at least at some level that you wish for me to acknowledge, by with whom and how you engage in sexual relations. To me, that’s the long and short of it, the difference being that were I to cavort about and demand acknowledgment of my favorite or preferred sexual position or act or whatever, that it be acknowledged as some kind of a hybrid of heterosexuality, I would be thought of as being rude, vulgar, promiscuous.” Check out today’s transcript for the rest…
N.B. This post was published originally on 05 May, 2013
Begin Mike Church Show Transcript
Caller Paul: Number one, this Boy Scout thing, the problem is much larger than the Boy Scouts, as we’re all aware. I chuckled when you read the proclamation from the Boy Scouts about homosexuals, young men, but then they say don’t have sex. It’s okay that you’re here but don’t have sex. That’s just ridiculous. If you told high school kids — they might as well hand out condoms at the Boy Scouts meetings now because it’s going to happen, there’s just no doubt about it, and it’s been happening. For some reason we have this veil over our eyes to think that these young men and young women in other organizations don’t have the same desires that we have when we were kids, and it’s just not true. Anyhow, I wanted to speak to something larger than this if I may.
Mike: Hang on for just a sec because there are a couple of things about that. Number one, how does a young man know that he is a homosexual if he has not had premarital sex outside of marriage? I suppose that’s another barrier for Masha Gessen in their crusade to attack premarital teenage homosexual sex, and how would you know?
Caller Paul: Absolutely, that is the issue. They don’t really know. Let me give you some examples. For the last ten years, I have been teaching the Bible at a young man’s home, they call it a large group home. It’s for young men that don’t have a home, either they’ve been in trouble with the law or they just don’t have any family to go to. Many of them, that’s the number one question. He’ll come up to me and say: I’m in trouble; I’m a homosexual. I say: How do you know you’re a homosexual? Well, because I think that so and so is attractive and I’d like to whatever.
It’s not that they know, it’s just that they have this confusion because society has told them, what you said in the last hour, this is the new normal. Listen, it’s not the new normal. It’s been like this since the beginning of time. You and I were born with a sin nature — I don’t want to preach to you, but that’s true. We were born with a sin nature and we are going to sin. That just happens to be one of the things we do to sin. It’s more confusion than it is knowing, in my opinion. I’ve dealt with hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of young men over the last ten years and, as I said, that’s the number one question they ask: How do I know that I’m not a homosexual?
Mike: Because you like girls. That’s one indication. You see young ladies developing as adolescents as you are a developing adolescent and you go: That’s pretty cool. I think I’m kind of attracted to that.
Caller Paul: You and I probably grew up in a normal family and went to a normal high school and we had those normal attractions. These young men don’t have that. These young men live with young men constantly. They only are around young men. Of course they’re confused.
Mike: Using that analogy, wouldn’t parochial and boarding schools that were all male or all female then produce disproportionate numbers of homosexuals, which I do not believe that they did or do?
Caller Paul: That’s true, but if they go to a parochial school or home, they have a very good structure there more than likely. That really comes down to the bottom line: structure in a young man or young woman’s life. If they don’t have the structure, if they don’t have the family element, the family opportunities that I had as a young man —
Mike: All those things are good, Paul, but in my conversation with David Simpson, my financial buddy guru who is a scout leader, in his mighty protestation, he resigned as a scout master on Friday last. David said “I think we have all grown or evolved in our thinking to a certain permissiveness with the identity or the choices that one makes in their sexual life. Most of us would probably say it’s none of my business and I don’t care if you are homosexual or not.” Simpson’s problem was, as we are raising children and young men here, “you have to make a distinction. You can’t be gray. There has to be white and black, rights and wrongs as well.” His problem with it is that the Boy Scouts decision, and other decisions that are made socially, is just an admission that there is no right.
In other words, for almost 10,000 years, man, and certainly since Christ for 2,000 years, man has been proceeding on a horrifically discriminatory, evil, despicable path by demonizing or not accepting homosexuals as normal or as vibrant parts of a normal and reproductive society — isn’t that the goal of all society, to make the society better for the next generation? In order to have a next generation, you kind of have to be heterosexual at some point in your life. I told David: I have a little more of a secular challenge and definition or presentation about the homosexuality that I like to share with the radio audience from time to time. It goes like this:
What you’re saying in your admission of homosexuality is that you are defined, at least at some level that you wish for me to acknowledge, by with whom and how you engage in sexual relations. To me, that’s the long and short of it, the difference being that were I to cavort about and demand acknowledgment of my favorite or preferred sexual position or act or whatever, that it be acknowledged as some kind of a hybrid of heterosexuality, I would be thought of as being rude, vulgar, promiscuous. Wouldn’t I be promoting sexual harassment-like behavior in the workplace and what have you? You’re at a logjam here then. Which is it?
If I’m to try to be a man that pursues virtue in all of his endeavors, I’m not going to divulge to anyone what’s between Mrs. Church and I when doors are closed and there are no children or witnesses about. In the case of the homosexual, I am forced to consider that that’s what you do and that’s how I am to remember who you are.
From the point of view of the homosexual, wouldn’t you be better off by just being quiet about it and having people say: I think but I’m not sure; she has never admitted it. By admitting it, or coming out as it were — we tore that door open long ago — the admission or acknowledgement of said sexual behavior and how it is done is then forced upon the people who must then accept. If you don’t accept, of course then you’re a bigot and a homophobe and there’s something wrong with you.
To me, that is a pretty clear-cut, I presented a pretty clear challenge to the orthodoxy that it’s just another lifestyle. No, it’s not. I don’t know any of my married friends — single ones maybe — that cavort about, as I said, boasting and bragging of positions and methods in which they participate in adult relations with their spouses. I think that you can pursue it from that point of view. Just get some agreement that: I never really thought about it that way. That’s one of the explanations that I try to give, especially when we’re talking about kids. Do you really want your kid making decisions based on having to process that?
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