Interview with Patrick J. Buchanan
Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “Let’s go to the Dude Maker Hotline and say hello to someone who knows far more about these issues than I ever will, and certainly is one of those great Americans that Sean Hannity likes to talk about all the time, my friend and yours, Patrick J. Buchanan. Welcome back.” Check out today’s transcript for the rest….
Begin Mike Church Show Transcript
Mike: Let’s go to the Dude Maker Hotline and say hello to someone who knows far more about these issues than I ever will, and certainly is one of those great Americans that Sean Hannity likes to talk about all the time, my friend and yours, Patrick J. Buchanan. Welcome back.
Patrick J. Buchanan: How you doing, Mike?
Mike: I am well.
Buchanan: It’s been a long time.
Mike: It has been a long time.
Buchanan: Goes back to your youth as I recall.
Mike: Well, I’m not quite that old yet but I’m working on it. I understand we only have a limited amount of time, so I have a couple things I’d like to just get to straight away with you. You, as am I, are the aforementioned Roman Catholic that I’m speaking of. Are you troubled with what you’re seeing here across the cultural and now political and legal landscape as it applies to your and my understanding and use of, as I said, the Magisterium that you were taught as a boy?
Buchanan: I am. When you take a look at what’s happening out here in Indiana and places across the country, I think what is going on is that the homosexual militants and the gay rights movement, they move from a request that they be left alone, and then a request that they be allowed to marry, to a demand that everybody recognize in their conduct and behavior and how they treat them that we all recognize and its legality and its morality by how we conduct ourselves. As many of us disagree with that lifestyle, and many believe it would be immoral to be complicit in any way, or to indicate that you really approve of that lifestyle – that would give scandal, which you’re not supposed to do. They’re saying: No, I won’t participate in it. I can’t control what the State says and does about what they allow, but I can certainly disagree if they demand that I participate in something that gives my assent to it. In that case, I think you move to a position of civil disobedience.
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Mike: Staying on the same subject then, and on the subject of diplomacy, back in your day when you were working for Richard Nixon, there was a saying that came about in the 1970s that “only Nixon could go to China.” We obviously had a horribly confrontational situation with the Chinese, yet Nixon, to his credit, was actually able to go into that communist country and was able to negotiate with them. Not only that, afterwards we were actually able to negotiate with the communists or the residual government that was left over in North and South Vietnam. We trade with these people today. We had diplomats who could do these things. Do you think we still have diplomats that are even capable of this?
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Buchanan: I think we’ve got diplomats that are capable of it, but I think there’s a real – the neocon influence in this city, especially in the Republican Party and in various newspapers on its op-ed pages like the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal and their magazines and the rest of it is very, very strong. You had some American diplomats who secretly negotiated with Iran and talked to them to get these talks started. I think we’ve got folks who are capable of that, but we also have an enormous force in this town. One of the reasons, of course, is that Barack Obama is seen correctly as a liberal and as someone who can’t be trusted as much in foreign policy as people thought Nixon could be trusted because of his reputation as an anti-communist.
I think you’ve got folks there, but there’s no doubt there’s an awful, huge force in this city which constantly keeps pushing us into these unnecessary and unwise wars against nations that, however nasty their regimes are, do not threaten the United States of America. These endless wars, this is how the British Empire came down. The Russian Empire came down going into Afghanistan, overdoing it, overextending itself. I think we watch the Chinese today and they’re building themselves up domestically. They’re building a silk road on land and sea. They’re building up the South China Sea. They’re building up their military. They’re staying out of these wars. I think the United States, if you read history, I think you’ll see the United States behaving like Britain before World War I and the Chinese behaving more like Bismarck’s Germany.
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