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Incorporating Amendment Two Will Disarm People and Undermine Republicanism

Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – I don’t have a problem with the NRA.  What I said is they have foolishly and in an unconstitutional, suicidal to liberty manner, worked for and now achieved incorporation of Amendment Two and the rest of the Bill of Rights for use against the states, which, as I pointed out, a state previously would have been free, should they have cared to do so, to pass a must-carry law.  You can’t do that now.  Now you’ll have Nancy Pelosi getting a vote on the size of the clip, the caliber of the firearm, you name it.  Happy?  That’s what incorporation brings. Check out today’s transcript for the rest…


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Mike:  Sam is in Orlando.  Hello, Sam, how you doing?

Caller Pam:  Actually, it’s Pam.  I just wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas.  I’ve not been a political person most of my life and Obama has put me into that direction.  I got turned onto you and a few others and I’m hooked now.  I just wanted to speak briefly.  Earlier in the week we were talking about putting police officers at some of the elementary schools.  I thought wouldn’t it be a better idea to maybe hire some of our vets that have come home and don’t have jobs?  I know here in Orlando, Monday there was a vet that went to his daughter’s elementary school.  He asked permission if he could stand guard outside the entrance of the school and greet all the kids as they were coming in and he was in his fatigues.  They gave him permission.  He said, “I just wanted to make the kids feel welcome and secure and safe as they were coming in.”  That, to me, was a touching story.  I thought what a great idea, that we should do that more often.

Mike:  I have no problem with that personally whatsoever, but again, all it’s going to take is for one guy in fatigues to show up with a weapon and for one nut job to say they don’t like it for a federal case to be made for some stupid federal judge to claim — again, since all you wonderful Second Amendment proponents have traded your birthright, which is that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is a bill mostly for the federal government (the Bill of Rights are aimed at the federal government and not the states legislatures), you won’t be able to make that determination.  Congratulations.

I wanted to make this point here today.  I’m glad you called.  Larry Pratt was being yelled at and called names by that English twit Piers Morgan the other night, conducting himself in a not-very-gentlemanly manner.  [mocking] “Mike, you just called him a twit.”  Well, he’s not standing in front of me.  Were he, I’d try to engage him in gentleman, polite conversation, which he did not with Mr. Pratt.  Mr. Pratt kept trying to say, “Mr. Morgan, the places where people are known to possess firearms in the United States are the safest places on earth.  There is no gun violence there.  Your statistics are incorrect.”

Let me just say to you, Pam, now that the NRA and Pratt’s group and all the rest of them have won the battle to incorporate the Second Amendment, and now that it’s under the purview of Congress — and it will be and they’re never going to give it back — now you would be forgiven from doing this.  Think about this.  Under the Constitution and the first ten amendments, the states have all police powers and they certainly retain all regulatory rights over any weapons or firearms, end of story.  You heard Professor Gutzman yesterday.  This is a historical fact.  It was a fact all the way up until 1918.  Under original ratified intent of the Constitution, the State of Florida could actually pass “must carry” laws if they wanted to.  A federal judge would just come in if they did, [mocking] “You can’t do that!  Second Amendment!  We’ve got power.”

You can have places where there could be must-carry laws, have to carry, every household has to have an AR in it.  Under federalism and the way it ought to be, [r]epublicanism and under the actual real ratified Constitution, that would be perfectly legal.  So you live in Orlando.  As long as there’s nothing barring them from doing it in the Florida Constitution, they could pass a must-carry rule, Pam.  They can say that every household shall have a weapon, shall have necessary armaments for said weapon, and every adult male shall attend once a year some kind of training course to make sure they know how to use said weapon.  This event is not going to end the tradition of keeping arms.  That’s what I meant to say earlier.

I see a couple tweets, “I just joined the NRA.  What’s your problem?”  I don’t have a problem with the NRA.  What I said is they have foolishly and in an unconstitutional, suicidal to liberty manner, worked for and now achieved incorporation of Amendment Two and the rest of the Bill of Rights for use against the states, which, as I pointed out, a state previously would have been free, should they have cared to do so, to pass a must-carry law.  You can’t do that now.  Now you’ll have Nancy Pelosi getting a vote on the size of the clip, the caliber of the firearm, you name it.  Happy?  That’s what incorporation brings.  Why people want to adopt ideas that are totally of progressive making, which is to centralize everything, to give a small cabal of elites total control and power over us is just beyond me.  It is not republican in the classic sense.  It is not something that is conducive to liberty and freedom of the people.  It is the antithesis of it.  I just don’t understand.  I cannot comprehend how people who claim to be logical can logic and reason their way through this.  It just boggles the mind.

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  1. John Van

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    I must agree to disagree with this statement made by the president. Yes all weapons should go through a background investigation (check) even at gun shows, this can be done by any FFL dealer in the building at the show. And those that are transferring from seller (unlicensed) to buyer and can use that same FFL dealer to process the paperwork for a fee. The criminals who have guns have them illegally, and really don’t care what the laws are. In fact, the Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits most straw sales and transfers of guns to people who should not have them. Interestingly, they still get them. Weird, eh? (criminals don’t care about laws). In Chicago home of some of the strictest firearms laws on handguns in America, Since January 1, 1990, an astonishing 14,973 people have been murdered in Chicago. Even worse, many of the victims have been children. Laws are for the law abiding. All this does is take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, leaving them vulnerable prey to the aforementioned criminals (William Teach December 22, 2012. If we are talking new regulations why not make it a mandatory regulation if you bought a firearm and it’s your first firearm then you must make take a firearms safety course within 30 days. Or taking back some old traditions in firearm safety by teaching this in after school programs such as hunter safety or firearm safety to these kids so that they understand how these firearms work and not just learning what they see of them from the movies and video games. Any course teaching the proper use and fundamentals of any firearm knowledge helps more than it will ever hurt. Some people are raised with firearms others aren’t and those aren’t are usually the ones that pick one up handle incorrectly and bang that’s how an accident takes place. It’s like getting in a car for the first time putting it in drive and slamming down on the accelerator to the floor not knowing what the vehicle will do. That’s how accidents happen using any implement or tool, it’s the lack of knowledge or familiarization. I grew up in a household with firearms, I was taught a very young age the proper handling and security of a firearm, and not to touch any firearm unless my father or mother were present with me and then with their permission and guidance only. My father was taught by his father and his father before him on the proper use and handling of any firearm. (Always handle them as if they were loaded that was the rule so that you have proper muzzle awareness at all times ).

    I believe that responsible law abiding citizens who have had firearms for years and never used them in a violent acts in anyway shouldn’t be made to suffer for the few that do. A gun is an inanimate object it’s no more dangerous than a club a stick a rock or a knife, if you put a firearm on a table next to any of those other objects and it sits there for 100 years that firearm won’t do anything at all, other than collect dust, nor will those other weapons. It’s the hands that wield the object to do wrong or harm on others that need to be looked at. Per CNN:”Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza’s body, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said. The weapons were legally purchased by Lanza’s mother, the official said.”Now it turns out that the rifle found in the trunk of the car is not a Bushmaster at all, (misinformation of the type of rifle by the media).So I ask why the rush to ban a weapon that wasn’t used and found in the trunk of the assailants car? Why then is a high capacity magazine in question or an assault style rifle ( that isn’t an assault style rifle at all), it’s a semi automatic firearm. Assault rifles are only used and sold to the military and the police and assault rifle has 3 functions, semi automatic, 3 round burst and full auto. The semi automatic firearms only has one function on the selector switch one round which means you pull the trigger and hold it and it will only fire one round only, these are used by many for recreational shooting, defense, and knowledge based teaching on the fundamentals of firearm handling and safety. We are now being asked to hold steady and let those in congress and the senate pass legislation banning certain types of firearms and high capacity magazines, why?

    Adam Lanza a disturbed madman saw a placard stating gun free zone which tells the criminal element or a madman “ hey were are defenseless (soft target) in here please don’t come in and shoot at us”. If there were just one armed teacher or principal who would have had access to a legal firearm that they were trained on then Adam Lanza would have only gotten off one or two rounds before he was stopped. I’m mad and saddened that legislation took security out of those people’s hands and left them vulnerable to this crazed lunatic wielding a weapon. I have spoken to many teacher since that day and they all say the same thing “why can’t we be armed to protect these children and ourselves, and if it were for only one firearm that would make me feel better”. Teachers in Israel are armed and have the lowest acts of violence against their students and themselves.

    Recently The Journal News has outraged many gun owners in Westchester and Rockland counties in New York by publishing their names and home addresses as if they were criminals. An actual interactive Google map (ONLINE) and location of these firearm owners is viewable for everyone to include criminals to see. Now this may deter a few evil doers yet it may incite some criminals and gangs to attack those with firearms to take their self defense weapons from them. It may also encourage them to use the maps as a superhighway to robbing murdering those that are unarmed thanks in part to this article and map. This very article by the Journal News has now endangered those on both sides armed and unarmed. This was reckless cowardly and dangerous to all both firearm owners and non owners thanks to their rush to use the Sandy Brook tragedy as means to a anti gun agenda. I’m saddened that they would use the immense loss of life to do such a low life version of journalism. Those children and those adults who perished in that tragedy deserve so much more than this from America.
    Since then all we see on the news is how firearms hurt the citizens when used by crazed self absorbed lunatic criminals, we never see how that a well trained law abiding citizen who thanks to the use of his legal firearm stopped a home invasion or mass shooting at a mall. Nick Meli a 22-year-old who was at Clackamas Town Center when a crazed weak gunman started firing at citizens he thought were all unarmed when confronted by Nick and his show of force (Concealed Carry) the gunman turned the rifle on himself. A show of force is the only way to stop criminals and their elements from hurting or killing law abiding citizens. But now thanks to strict firearm laws in certain states these citizens cower in fear hoping and praying that someone will rescue them in time. And for many that time never comes, just one armed citizen stopped that criminal madman from gunning down more unarmed citizens. Yet you won’t hear this on the mainstream news nor will anyone award this hero with a medal, it will be sidelined and rat holed in the media so that they can sensationalize the tragedies of Sandy Brook and those instances like it where the unarmed are left to defend themselves against a well armed criminal element. We now have the Des Moines Register publishes gun-ban column advocating deadly violence against NRA, GOP leaders written by Donald Kaul retired earlier this year. Now he has decided to return to writing occasional opinion columns for The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. brought out all his ugliness. “In a column that appeared after the shooting with the headline “Kaul: Nation needs a new agenda on guns,” he proposed a new liberal agenda: repeal the Second Amendment, declare the NRA a terrorist organization and make membership illegal, and well, make violent threats to Republican leaders and NRA members. The Des Moines Register published this junk on December 29. Why isn’t this all over the NEWS, a US CITIZEN Donald Kaul, (I use that term lightly), advocating violence against members of congress, private citizens and members of a legal entity and waging a propaganda war on the Constitution of the United States and its freedoms thereof. Doesn’t Mr. Donald Kaul know that without the second amendment there would be no 1st amendment and we probably would all be speaking either German or Japanese right now if not for the second amendment. Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy Isoroku Yamamoto during World War II was quoted in a letter “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass” that’s right the second amendment once again stays an evil doer by show of force.

    It is a fact that states with the strictest gun laws have the highest rate of crime and murder, while states like Arizona, Texas, Louisiana for example have less crime because they have less strict laws and criminals are worried about being shot back at. Laws help govern the law abiding citizen but will never deter a criminal because that’s why they are criminals they Don’t ABIDE BY ANY LAWS. Banning any firearms or magazines only hurts the common man from defending what is rightfully his (life, family, liberty, freedom) from these criminal elements. Police are already over burdened with drugs, burglaries, domestic disputes and a host of other crimes on a daily basis. We the common man cannot always count on the police to be right where we need them 24-7 because when seconds count the police are minutes away!!

    On January 25, 1788, James Madison wrote:
    “This Constitution and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land, and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”

    2nd Amendment, from the Bill of Rights states:
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.(SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED). As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State (one of the Founding Fathers) and based on James Madison’s writings isn’t this the Constitution the law of the land? Taking away our rights because of criminal acts by law breaking criminals doesn’t help the law abiding citizen. And if any laws are made it doesn’t need to be a blanket federal law, the 10th amendment gives states the right to choose what laws will be best from themselves. The 10th amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Let the sovereign states decide what is right for them in regards to firearm laws within the borders of their states. What works in Massachusetts or Chicago will not work in Texas or Louisiana because each state is different in culture and rich in its own heritage.

  2. Wil

    Why did the guest hosts, in response to a caller criticizing the NRA’s incorporationist agenda, say that the caller fundamentally misunderstood the Constitution by asserting the ‘Bill of Rights’ did not apply as restrictions on the States but as restrictions upon the Federal Government?

    It was 12/24, or whatever day was the first they hosted. I did not listen after this because I felt insulted.

    1. Brandon

      Wil you should feel insulted. You should feel insulted that you weren’t taught that in school. I personally was when I found out that the Bill of Rights indeed, as originally written, only apply to the federal government. So if my state wanted to mandate a ban on guns, everyone be Baptists, penalize you from speaking out against how crappy the Rams are, and make you quarter a national guard member in the basement next to 24 year old son drawing medical coverage they could. In which case you would probably move somewhere else.

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