Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – Let us go to the Dude Maker Hotline and say hello to one of the triad of candidates for the United States Senate for the 2014 elections that I personally know. This is Dwayne Stovall, TexansForStovall.com. Check out today’s transcript for the rest…
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Mike: Let us go to the Dude Maker Hotline and say hello to one of the triad of candidates for the United States Senate for the 2014 elections that I personally know. This is Dwayne Stovall, TexansForStovall.com. Hello, Dwayne Stovall. How you doing?
Dwayne Stovall: How are you, Mike?
Mike: Good, thank you. How’s the campaign going?
Stovall: Very well, actually, very well. It’s amazing when you speak in very plain terms about things like you’re talking about, the debt ceiling, that people are so ready for someone to stop playing that game. I’m just fed up with it myself. If you’ve got simple math skills and you were to tally up the debt servicing numbers and the military numbers, without cutting the military, and you were to add up the Department of Health and Social Security and welfare entitlement programs and put them all together, they’re still about $300 billion shy of what we take in in general revenue. It’s all the expanse of government that’s the issue. We can fund ourselves on what we’re required to pay for. Everybody is scared to death by the rhetoric.
Mike: Are you scared to death because of the rhetoric?
Stovall: No. I’m ready to say no.
Mike: You just heard Senator Coburn say: We’re not going to default on any of this. We’re going to pay the debt and everybody knows we’re going to pay the debt. If you were elected to replace Senator Cornyn in the U.S. Senate and you had a vote on a CR that included a bump in the debt ceiling, how would you approach it?
Stovall: I would say no. It’s simple. We’re at the point now, what are you saying yes to, that we’ll fix it next time? They’ve been saying that my entire life. We’ll let the next Congress do it. We’ll make a plan next time. No, we’re not going to do that anymore. As far as I’m concerned, it’s time to say no. Go ahead and divest all those unconstitutional powers back to the states. Let the states decide to keep them or get rid of them or do whatever they want with them. Say no more on the debt ceiling. I get a kick out of those technical discussions with President Obama when he says raising the debt ceiling doesn’t necessarily raise the debt. That’s pretty disingenuous in itself. We all know it increases the debt. The idea that we’re going to raise the debt and work on the problem later, I think history has proven that to be a complete joke.
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Mike: We have the story from Terence Jeffrey at CNSNews.com, “Roll Over Plan: Treasury Needed to Pay Off Record $7.5T in Maturing Debt in FY 2013, Issued $8.3T New Debt; Increased Net Debt $777B.” For Obama to say it does not increase the debt, he’s just wrong. That is an increase in net debt of $777 billion.
Stovall: That’s right. The only way you can say that with a straight face is if you and I have a credit card and our credit card company sends us a letter and says: Instead of having a $1,000 limit, you now have a $2,000 limit, and we actually make the decision to not use the extra $1,000. Our history has proven that the only reason you increase the debt ceiling is so that you can run headlong into the extra debt. They’re intrinsic to each other. That’s a play on words and it’s wrong. We’ve got this Keynesian model for the last 50 years and that’s what we’re stuck with. Everybody thinks because we’re the world’s reserve currency, which is true but we’re in an elongated bankruptcy. The only thing that keeps us from being Portugal is the fact that we print phony, fiat currency. One day that will stop. We’ve only been the world reserve currency since ’47. That’s not a long time. The whole aspect of empire and fiat currency, if you look at this from the cycle, this doesn’t end well.
Mike: No, it doesn’t.
Stovall: It’s not a perpetual thing.
Mike: Dwayne Stovall is a candidate for the United States Senate in the great State of Texas, TexansForStovall.com.
Stovall: You can find us on Facebook, too. It’s been very interesting. There are a lot of people with a lot of clarity out there who are ready to stop, everybody calls it negotiating. It’s not negotiating. There’s no negotiating going on. Politics generally moves left. That’s an historical cycle also. It’s like looking at Senator Cornyn. Senator Cornyn literally gave an interview in March, just a few months ago, in the Houston Chronicle where he said: We will raise the debt ceiling; we’re not going to default on our default. I can tell you unequivocally, we’re not going to default. What I tell these groups — I’ve spoken to about 4,000 people in the last four months. What I tell these groups is, if you and I and a group of our friends were all walking across the street and Senator Cornyn was standing on the corner, he’d say: Hey, fellas, we’re not going to default. We’d all give him the thumbs up and go: That’s great. We’d just keep on walking. If you translate what he’s saying, he’s saying: Yes, we’re about to collapse from all this debt, but to keep from collapsing on my watch, we’re going to create more debt. I will tell you unequivocally we’re going to create more debt, which means we are necessarily putting your children and grandchildren in chains of debt and servitude to this tyrannical national government. If they said it clearly on the level where everyone understood where they’re coming from, you wouldn’t get that past. Everybody would stop and ask questions and want to know what their problem is.
I think really and truly if you look at the debt issue, they always talk about one party is holding the other one hostage. From my vantage point, the American people are the only ones being held hostage. We’re being held hostage by 2.5 million people who work for our tax dollars. That doesn’t include the military. There are 2.5 million people just drawing paychecks doing whatever job they do, whether it’s constitutionally required or not. The military is only 1.5 million. I think everybody is pretty comfortable having military. The fact we are really only raising the debt and increasing the expanse of government to cover the 2.5 million people, that’s the primary focus everybody needs to look at. There are 300 million of us at home being held hostage by these people who are going to take from you. You have no choice in the matter. They are going to take your earnings before you see it to fund the growth of their liability. That’s what they are. I hate to say that to people. If you’ve got a job in the government, maybe you have a job that we all agree to and want to fund, but maybe you don’t. Maybe you are actually just a liability. There is no real economically viable, profitable, free-market job in the government. All they actually do is steal from us to grow.
Mike: Amen. Let me ask you another question since you have been out there campaigning and you have made your way across the amber waves of Texas fuel. As you have encountered so many different people and so many different groups and different regions of Texas, is there any kind of a consensus emerging that a United States senator ought to be representing the interests of the Texas Assembly and not campaigning and pandering to the Texas populous? Some of us view the role of United States senator as that being the role. What are you learning on the campaign trail?
Stovall: I will tell you that when I leave a meeting, they are crystal clear. I will also tell you, and I don’t have any empirical data to back this up, but from my own experience, it’s a little over half of even Tea Party members and liberty groups who do not understand the proper role of a U.S. senator. It’s painful. It was much more painful at the beginning. I’ve accepted it and I actually go into these meetings with the understanding that the majority of these people are probably not going to understand what the proper role is. I make absolutely certain that they do. It’s a growing discussion, though. It’s getting ahead of me now. I actually have people who are perpetuating the message. I’m getting that feedback as I’m traveling around Texas now. That’s such a major issue. It’s such a sovereignty issue. I ask people: If you had true representation of your statehouse, if your U.S. senators did their roles as required, as designed by people like Roger Sherman and George Mason, would we have Obamacare? No. You wouldn’t have Obamacare. You wouldn’t have these totally unconstitutional, sovereignty-killing, nationalized plans. The state legislatures would have their foot in it. Because of things like Senator Cornyn’s viewpoint that he is a representative of our nation, and he wrote that in an article, I thought: Here’s a guy who literally doesn’t understand his proper role. If I say the term nation, I’m talking about Texas.
Mike: As you should be.
Stovall: It’s amazing. Everybody claps when you say that. Everybody gets that. If I’m talking about the union or the country, I use those interchangeably. If I’m talking about the Nation, I’m talking about Texas. It’s a strange dynamic. People are so confused about the proper role of a U.S. senator. There’s a lot of language out there that I would love to hear that we’re not hearing. As good a job as Ted Cruz is doing, there’s some language I’d like to hear from him. I actually get to be around him Saturday. I might get a chance to talk to him about it.
Mike: Final question for Dwayne Stovall, candidate for U.S. Senate in Texas, he’ll be running against John Cornyn when the primary kicks in in 2014. Is there anyone else seeking the Republican nomination?
Stovall: There are a couple individuals who are running. I haven’t paid much attention to them. I don’t know how much traction they’re getting. I will tell you this: The major issue for me right now is there are a lot of donors and money out there who would jump onboard in a hurry, but there’s a lot of media push to get Louie Gohmert to run against Senator Cornyn because everybody is having an emotional kneejerk. If you’ve watched Senator Cornyn for the last ten years like I have, you have a crystal clear picture of his behavior. The last week or two is totally normal. All this emotional kickback and kneejerk over his behavior the last two or three weeks has created this push to get a winner at all costs.
This is where you get into the dynamic where people don’t understand the proper role of government or the proper execution of the republic. The House is where the power lies. As much as I really like and support Louis Gohmert — and I really do, the man is principled as they come — I absolutely am scared to death of him vacating a senior majority seat in the most powerful body in government just to come create a win in the Senate where he’d be an immediate dominant minority. Who knows who fills his seat in the House? You have to look at this as a power model. The House is where you must maintain that conservative principle somewhere. We lost eight people in the last cycle in the House. That’s not a good trend. As good as he is, and yes he would win, but what are we giving up in the long haul? He’s going to do what the Lord lays on his heart. I’m hoping very soon I get a chance to visit with him. Maybe he and I can come together on where he’s at and what I’m doing. Maybe he can give me a sense of the direction everything is going. I don’t want to waste anybody’s time. I’m in this thing to do what’s right for Texas. I think he’ll understand that.
Mike: Dwayne Stovall, candidate for U.S. Senate, a longtime listener to this show as well, and a personal friend, so we’ll be staying in touch with him during this campaign season. Of course, as we get closer, we will hold the olive branch out to Senator Cornyn if he’d like to appear on the program. We’ve asked him before and his office has declined, but we will ask him again in the future. Dwayne, give out that website again for folks interested.
Stovall: TexansForStovall.com or Texans For Stovall on Facebook. You can go and donate to the cause of liberty and federalism and limited government. That’s what we’re shooting for.
Mike: Thank a lot for the time, I appreciate it. Godspeed. I’m sure I will see you real soon.
Stovall: Thanks for having me, Mike.
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